love and hate and the hop

there was once a thread, over on barbelith.
that thread began primarily about the false dichotomy between the underground and pop-hop camps, or myth of 'underground' hip-hop's creative and ideological superiority to 'hip-pop', but it went a few directions; it became about double standards, perceptions of misogyny, and some folks' distaste with the over-bling and super-sexing they perceive in modern hip hop.

zuky seems to be on the same tack at the moment, having a look at some of the shit talked around this subject, the subject of mainstream hip hop.

memo to white folks and the mass media
byron hurt - misogyny in hip hop

one post contains a video, and the other contains venn diagrams.
what's not to like?
also of interest is this PDF about 'detours', found on zuky's comments.